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The Kelly Criterion determines how much of a stake you should risk on a Jeffrey Ma was one of the members of the MIT Blackjack Team, a team which.


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Optimal blackjack betting and bet sizing for recreational card counters - a discussion of the Leib Criterion vs the Kelly Criterion.


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The Kelly Criterion is a method of betting for blackjack players who have a mathematical edge in a wager. The Kelly Criterion maximizes your profit while.


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I'm still murky on how to calculate full kelly on my 30k BR. Also how does one adjust bets in real time? Is the max FK bet your max bet at very.


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Any advantage player in blackjack needs to know how to manage his or her bankroll The half Kelly is just what it sounds like; you simply calculate the Kelly bet.


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Is there a way to apply Kelly to betting units, with a unit being the table so many variables into the calculation that there is no simple answer?


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Is it absurd to ask such a simple question or to bring so many variables into the calculation that there is no simple answer? If you want to use half kelly you would simply divide the above bets in half. I play individual shoes. I don't have a problem with the fact that most players incorrectly use minimum wager as their unit. Most players consider their minimum wager to be their unit and raise and lower their bets one of these units or minimum wagers at a time. That is where these higher spreads which are necessary to beat shoe games comes in. The minimum wager should be a fraction of the unit, which means one you start raising your wager in advantageous times, you are raising by far more than one minimum wager at a time. You should wager the rounded off amount for each advantage based on count. The problem enters when they start to raise their wagers and do so one minimum wager at a time. Where do I place the parentheses around the above sentences so as to describe my bankroll? Is there a "Kelly number" you can apply to it that says that's "a Kelly of 85", where the closer you get to a "Kelly" of , the better your chances of avoiding bankruptcy? That would be your unit. But most of us don't do it that precisely. I've just read that someone likes a spread of units over a TC of How "Kelly" is that? In my case the amount that I wager at. You take 5K out for a session, you lose it all, you go back to work and build a new one, rob your little sister's piggy bank, whatever. You can certainly use the table minimum as a unit. If you look at TC distribution charts you will see higher counts appear with a much lesser frequency as the TC rises. But unlike BS and Hi-Lo, I haven't seen an attempt to dumb-down the theory to a good-enough-for-humans chart or set of rules that can be carried into a casino, in your head. Most teams from Uston, Tommy Hyland thru MIT and many professional players use the more accurate definition of unit, that I previously mentioned. I've read plenty where 0 units or minimum is bet until the count is advantagous, then bet 1 unit. Even ignoring the attention a steep spread can bring, can you answer such a question without considering factors not in the "true" Kelly formula, like penetration? I can count well So now, what's the best method of sizing my bet? I couldn't prove it mathematically, but I can still see the underlying concept. It just makes it more convenient. I've been counting for the past eight months. You adjust your bet sizing after significant losses or wins. Don't know if this is the right forum for this, or if there can truly be an explanation for Kelly as it relates to gambling that does not cause me to lose consciousness anytime I see the term "standard deviation" or one of those funny Greek letters in a formula , but here goes. At that point they are ramping much too slowly to be effective for most games. Assume what's been described here as "very standard mediocre H17 house rules, with an opening house edge of. In KellyWorld, I determine my advantage as a precise mathematical percentage and multiply it by this abstract term "bankroll". But sitting at a blackjack table, already having to recall BS and Hi-Lo, who can Kelly-cize an individual wager? When it comes to Kelly, I also can accept the basic idea: raise your wager when the odds are more in your favor. Makes sense that the deck is in a good place whenever there are a lot of tens left in it. Recommended online casinos. This is the point that the game is just about even, no player advantage, no house advantage, so it doesn't cost anything as far as EV, just a little bit in the variance department, but it does help to smooth out the betting ramp and make that first jump not as obvious. In your example, you are doing a spread in positive counts with a partial wong out. Kelly talks about bankroll, but what is that? First, we round off the advantage and the most common way is to figure a half percent advantage gain per true count using hi-lo , when it is actually a little more. Makes sense to double an 11 against a six, and to split eights all the time. I've played four times in I went to the casino last night. The improvement in edge occurs arithmetically -. It is NOT the unit. Some people, to be more conservative, may use fractional Kelly. The purest form of unit, is the definition that I have adopted, which I learned from bigplayer and Munchkin. Most of us start rounding off. I get the concepts of basic strategy and counting without really "knowing" the underlying math. Joined: Nov 28, Threads: 9 Posts: January 18th, at AM permalink. I always thought around max bets was an appropriate minimum bankroll. Each time we round of we get further and further away from true Kelly. But lets say you want to play the unit game. Kelly betting can be quite a grind if you sustain a series of consecutive losses. Bet spread is simply a ratio between your minimum wager and maximum wager. It really has nothing to do with unit size. Is there a way to apply Kelly to betting units, with a unit being the table minimum? I am sure many others use this form of unit which is basically to say the amount that you wager at a given segment of advantage is your unit. There really is no need to even have a unit. I play at that "mediocre game" described above. You gain roughly. I can play Basic Strategy. All are Negative expected value. I'm not saying the minimum wager is necessarily a unit, only that it can be if you choose. Most professionals have a fixed amount of money set aside for their advantage play, a "bank". Bigplayer is a pretty well know, longtime, high stakes player who played with some pretty well known teams and a frequent poster on the blackjack sites. Clearly it has to be a practical application of Kelly. Joined: Nov 9, Threads: Posts: Arnold Snyder.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} If you do this, adjusting your bet for the fluctuations in your bankroll, and are truly playing with an advantage, you will never go broke. Some non-professional advantage players may use what's known as a replenish-able bankroll. Kelly criterion is usually associated with a fixed bankroll. So again, the minimum wager is just the minimum you can bet, usually table minimum. But what is that? There was a time I did not know what Kelly was, and I think you would have made me more clueless than before. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}I think one of the most misunderstood concepts has to do with what folks call a betting unit. If there is some other definition of unit, it is less common than you will find in literature. Let's say your br is 10K to make the numbers easy. Is there no such thing as Kelly For Dummies? I played three sessions. Now back to unit. The formula is BR x advantage x. Then we round off the amounts of the exact wagers. Joined: Apr 17, Threads: Posts: January 18th, at PM permalink. You are correct in that most blackjack books and other literature uses the minimum wager as unit, but that does not make it correct. Just say no to Blackjack, Continuous shuffle machines and Blackjack the Forum. You all know of Munchkin. I've been playing blackjack for 25 years. I've been searching for a spread that will work be successful over time and be reasonable the upper end is an amount that I can comfortably put out there. But players tend to like to make things uniform and raised and lower by the same amount. I concede your view is no less legitimate than mine, but I think it is rather confusing. You are reduced to considerably smaller bets and have to spend a lot of time grinding your way back up. It might be because you don't send someone to disassemble an atom bomb with just a screwdriver and wrench - you need to know more about it if you don't want to end up dead or bankrupt. Kelly says you should wager a percentage of your bankroll based on the advantage that you have at any given time. It does speed the game along and make payoffs more uniform, but other than that there is no real reason to do so. But is that very "Kelly" of me?